tax return, and they can't get social security survivor's benefits and if the court upholds doe m s doma all is overturn and if it is overturned then the federal government will have to treat married people like married people. >> does it line up in the court that way as well? >> well, this is always a difficult question is what effect does public opinion have on the justices. the official answer is none. they apply the constitution, and the real world answer is plenty. there are five republicans and four democrats on the supreme court, and that is pretty much all you need to know, and however, one of the republicans is anthony kennedy who has been generally very supportive of gay rights and so many people think that he is going to join the democrats in vetting to overturn doma. >> and neither of us is old enough, but when we are are talking about interracial marriage i would imagine it is similar situation at that time. >> well, you know, the parallels to the case that you are referring to, "loving versus virginia" 1967, and the case that said states can no longer ban interracial marria